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The Awareness Center is making a big stink about Michoel Hersh and Rav Aharon Schechter but she has a terrible reputation in terms of stealing money and acting inappropriate.She even said on live TV that she sacrificed baby's together with her family when she was younger.How sick is that? She is not even frum!!!Why is she allowed to operate? There are no Rabanim that back her.Naomi Rogen says not to trust her.
http://www.usajewish.com
http://www.shmoozenet.com
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JB - You know I'm a big fan of yours, but I'm very uneasy about your stance on this topic and this post in general.
It's one thing to continue to maintain that we don't know the whole story and not to judge, its another to write a hit piece on this lady.
My stance is very simple...if you want to take a hit at somebody (namely Hersh) be ready to take what you give. I'm simply giving a voice of the other side which the media in general has done little to publish. These btw are not my words I'm simply publishing an email with information given to me and I reserve the write to do so. If I feel there may be something unfair I will withdraw it.
We both get lots of e-mails. Just because someone sends us an email doesn't mean we have to post it.
Back during the Lipa story I got a lot of very heated emails from people on both sides.
I just think if you are saying "we don't know the whole story" fine. Thats your stance, but instead of helping people understand the other side of the story your facilitating in an attack on someone else trying to get to the bottom of this mess.
I don't know the lady who runs the awareness center but I think what she tries to do is very important.
Far too many times the stories she brings to the attention are swept under the rug. I'm not saying she is always right, but ... whatever, you know what I'm saying I think.
I think youre misrepesenting the context of what she said.
What she said was HER FAMILY did this and she was an abuse victim in this situation.
Do you think Kolko is innocent because she has information about him on her site? Thats the context you are trying to make.
Do you have a problem that the mans kids are not religious and the possibility that this man sees that as such a threat that he would send his kid to a torture camp to become compliant so he could be forced to be frum?
To chaim.
You only know what you've read... and it's one sided!! They have been sent to many different families and institutions. THEY WERE SENT BACK HOME B/C THEY ARE DANGEROUS and no one could deal with them. DO you think the parents said "I'm so tired of disciplining them when they don't listen... Let's find a place where they can be abused." No. They consulted with legitimate authorities who knew THIS personal case and after many, many years and attempts at less intense methods, they decided to try and save their children by this means... but not without intense research. Asking people who went there and people who sent their own family members there. You think this list of abuse in the Bay is accurate? B/c it came from ONE mouth of someone who went there (b/c they had their own mental unbalances to begin with) and left the program in the middle - and returned still UNHINGED. Do your research - your own research. See if there is another side before you judge these people. They already won this case in Israel b/c they are good and the children - only the twins are troubled. The rest of the family, the other 5 or 6 - they are against all this madness. Their parents are wonderful and they are afraid of these twin siblings. Don't destroy a family like this... This is exactly motze shem ra - it would only be Lashon Hara if it were true, so rest assured, G-d won't punish you for spreading Lashon Hara. Only Motzei Shem Ra if you don't try to help this FAMILY of parents and other children by protecting them from these boys.
I hope you look into this ON BOTH SIDES, not just the one that adds sheker fuel to your fire of saving the world.
I disagree with idea that I am misrepresenting anything since I did not write the email. That aside I don't think it's a misrepresentation at all did you read the transcript?
Quote from Opera
'My next guest was used also in worshipping the devil, participated in human sacrifice rituals and cannibalism,' Oprah Winfrey told her audience in a show aired in May of 1989. Oprah didn't say, 'My next guest alleges she was used in worshipping the devil.' Oprah stated it as a fact.
Lauren Stratford, the author of a memoir titled Satan's Underground, was also a guest on the same show. Oprah declared that Stratford
'...was part of a group of young women and children forced to surrender their bodies into some of the most evil rituals imaginable. Her own child was used in a human sacrifice.'
Her ritually—abusing, infant—sacrificing guest, who was identified only as 'Rachel,' was one of the deluded and pathetic women who were caught up in the ritual abuse satanic panic of the 1980's.
The wild stories about satanic worship and infant sacrifice were part of a nation—wide panic about child abuse that saw hundreds of people accused and dozens convicted for bizarre crimes that had no basis in reality.
Historians believe the ritual abuse panic was sparked by several fraudulent memoirs, notably Michelle Remembers and Satan's Underground. The authors and publishers of these books are responsible for causing thousands of families untold harm. Not only were people falsely accused of ritual child abuse, but thousands of women seeking therapy for depression were led to believe that they had repressed memories of ritual abuse from their childhoods.
After Oprah's ritual abuse show aired, she later apologized for airing remarks that linked infant sacrifice to Judaism. She understood the consequences of such irresponsible statements. But a compassionate person like Oprah could do so much more to help the victims of the ritual abuse panic, such as Bernard Baran, in prison in Massachusetts, Fran and Daniel Keller, imprisoned in Texas, or Nancy Smith and Joseph Allen in Ohio, to name a few. Their ordeal is unimaginably tragic and they desperately need the kind of publicity and influence that only someone like Oprah can give.
I think you are allowing your blog to be hijacked by people who are willing to send out emails and hit pieces on this lady, but not offer the full story.
::ducking and pulling out his gun:: watch out all hijackers I'll get you don't think I can't see you.... I could say the same thing about many of the media out there. If you have information to dispute what I'm saying say it! Don't say hey you are being hijacked....I think the information speaks for itself if you don't like what I'm saying...don't read it :)
First caveat: I'm not a psychiatrist. Second caveat: I've never met this woman.
And while I can see the interest in the "blood libel" angle, I think the forests are being missed for the trees. Vicki, from what I've seen, fits the classic profile of the 1980s Satanic Ritual Abuse craze.
1. She claims (all these insane and highly improbable things--satanic mass, blood libel, ritualized rape, etc.). This despite the fact that the courts have thrown out almost every single one of the 1980s Satanic Ritual Abuse cases, and it is largely interpreted now to have been the work of mass hysteria, terrible therapists and, in a surprising number of cases, initial complaints filed by people with serious mental health issues (Judy Johnson in the McMartin Preschool case; Mary Anne Barbour in another, etc.)
2. She claims that she has or had multi-personality disorder. This too has fallen on hard times, much like SRA claims. But don't miss the link between these two. MPD (now referred to by the few psychiatrists who still believe in it as DID) often appeared in ritual abuse victims. The link is in what psychiatric reformers who have put this beast almost to rest have claimed: that MPD is most often the result of bad therapists implanting the notion that a patient has "more than one person in there"--including even the case of Sybil of Hollywood fame. The same was true of SRA.
I'd consider it possible that Vicki, given her reference to her years of therapy, had both of these sketchy diagnoses brought out in therapy: her "repressed memories" of the baby-eating came in concert with her "discovery" of multiple personalities.
3. On the subject of the Awareness Center itself, I was shocked to see that among their "types of crimes" they include the subject of Satanic Ritual Abuse.
http://theawarenesscenter.org/ritualabuse.html
Note that this is included with Rape, Child Pornography, etc. Whether this makes a mockery of real violent crimes or not, it's inexcusable that this organization has (or had) well-respected board members that signed off on this. What were they thinking?
Read that page. You'll notice that just about all of the information comes from something called "Believe the Children," the diehard remnants of SRA proponents in the 1980s. When they list convictions for SRA, note that nearly *every single one of them* have had their convictions overturned.
People have been hurt badly by this stuff. It sounds like Vicki's parents (whose names I object to having circulated) have been terribly maligned by this woman's fantasies. They didn't serve a decade or more in jail, like Alvin and Deborah McCuan (see the webpage above), but then they also haven't had their now-adult child *recant every word* to get their conviction overturned (which you won't find on the webpage above).
I have no idea about the truth of her accusations of others (or accusations by others that she's printed), but this alone makes her dangerous. If her therapists brought out this erroneous information, as other therapists did in SRA and MPD cases, she, as a therapist herself and a true believer, is likely to bring it out of other "victims" herself.
That webpage above has been on her site for years. How could this have escaped the attention of the board members and others working with her? That more than anything is what's troubling me.
I am impressed with the effort to take a case in the public eye and use it as a springboard for a totally unrelated discussion, namely about the Awareness Center. I am sure that a website such as that one commands much attention, both positive and negative, and that should be okay. Let its Chassidim rejoice, let its opponents yell. But why use the Hersh case as a diversion? There are many opinions out there on the case, and probably all of them have some truth behind them. Personally, I’d rather wait for the courts and batei din to address the issues and reach some conclusions. Fair, maybe not, but at least they will have heard both sides with details.
use it as springboard for a totally unrelated discussion
Anon,
That's a well thought out response and a very mature one. However I should point out they are not unrelated as the awareness center is involved as the rest of the media with bashing the Hersh family. I understand your point and it is well taken that we should wait for the courts to decide. I just feel that since everyone is dragging Mr Hersh's name through the mud that I'll be the underdog and shed the other side of the story. People who want to yell he's
a abusive etc. may do so (even if it is loshon hora) but make sure your background is clean the awareness center seems far from it. In which case who are they to make such allegations?
Yasher koach for a blog that is emesdik and yashar.
I wanna send a link of your blog to all the other baalei rechilus and m'kablei motzi shem ra.
Kudos to you to stand up and be able to help people see the truth.
Hi. Every Blog and website that we asked about their decision to post such horrible things about Rav Aharon and Michoel at least responded to requests for clarification, even the Daily News...except the awareness center. Here is her response and that is the reason we are not trying to bring any other group to task.
Dear Friends,
The Awareness Center will be on an extended sabbatical starting tomorrow, April 3, 2008, until which time we have enough funds to hire staff to keep up with the demands.
It's been a pleasure getting to know all of those who we have met over the years and are hopeful someday that the need for an organization like The Awareness Center will diminish.
If you would like to make a donation send checks to the address listed below.
Sincerely,
Vicki Polin, MA, NCC, LCPC, ATR-BC
Founder, Executive Director -The Awareness Center, Inc.
(the international Jewish Coalition Against Sexual Abuse/Assault)
P.O. Box 65273, Baltimore, MD 21209
From Yori Yanover's USAJewish.com page:
AFFIDAVIT
Name to be provided to the appropriate legal authority.
November 19th, 2004
About two years ago Ms. Vicki Polin called me on the telephone from Baltimore asking me to perform a ritual of exorcism on her. When I asked why she felt she needed an exorcism, she told me that she was a survivor of a Jewish devil-worshipping cult and felt herself invaded by its baleful influence.
She had heard from a friend that I am a student of kabbalah, so, after her request was refused by rabbis in Baltimore she was turning to me for help with an exorcism.
She told me that her parents were members of the EZRA-HABONIM synagogue on Dempster St. in Skokie, Illinois [Vicki says this is not true]. The essence of her story was that there are currently many rabbis involved in this cult who brought their satanic rituals with them to the USA from Europe. That she was born into one of the Jewish families owing allegiance to the cult. She claimed to have been used as part of an organized child sexual abuse ring organized by the rabbi of her synagogue, and that the sexual abuse took place on Sifrei Torah Scrolls laid out on the floor of the synagogue. That the abuse began in early childhood and continued over a period of many years, through her teen years and into adulthood, and that she was only one of the many young children, boys and girls used in this manner. I did not ask for specifics of the rituals but she mentioned cannibalism, defecation and the sacrilege of sacred objects.
I told her that if she feels herself Tameh, unclean she ought to go to the mikveh - ritual baths.
All the above is what she told me during our single phone conversation. I have not spoken or corresponded with her since then.
I believe the following affidavit probably comes from a woman named Olga, who has been a close friend with rabbi Worch and was friendly with Vicki two years ago.
AFFIDAVIT
Name to be provided to the appropriate legal authority.
November 17, 2004
Vicki Polin told me that she appeared on the Oprah Winfrey show using the name Rachel.
In that appearance and in private conversations to me she made the following claims:
* That her family belonged to a satanic ritual cult in which she was regularly sexually abused from the time she was a baby.
* That she was forced to murder babies and eat their flesh as part of this cult.
* She was raped on Torah scrolls in a synagogue in Chicago.
* That she had five abortions as a result of incest with her father.
* That she suffers from multiple personality disorder.
Vicki made it very clear that she believes that there is a large satanic cult with many professional people as members who are regularly involved in sex abuse and murdering babies.
She told me that she believes that this satanic cult dates back to Jacob Frank:
She told me she was afraid to eat chicken bones because they reminded her of the murdered babies’ bones.
All of this information Vicki claimed to me to have recovered in memories instigated through therapy.
5/9/05
Vicki Polin Equals Shauna Green
Vicki is the "Shauna Green" in Rachel Lev's 2002 book Shine the Light: Sexual Abuse and Healing in the Jewish Community. Vicki is described this way: "Shauna is a 40-something artist, therapist, and survivor of ritual abuse, who over the years recovered from a dissociative identity disorder."
From page 175: "As a teenager I lived in a car for a while," said Shauna Green. "I was certain my parents were going to kill me. I wish there had been a safe house to go to -- to get away from my parents. I wish there had been some way to force them into treatment. It was my word against theirs. No one did anything. The schools made it into a behavioral problem. Family decided I was a discipline problem. I was molested in my temple by the rabbi and others. What do I want the Jewish community to do now? Instead of belittling, educate. Learn the symptoms of abuse. Learn what to do. Learn how you can reach out."
The book contains some of Vicki's art work and on the back features an endorsement from rabbi Mark Dratch.
The claim she constantly puts forward that she is working for the safety and benefit of the jewish community is just like the other claims she makes. It is clever because it is the exact opposite of the truth. Always remember, she knows how to work the system. the truth is Vic Polin is a profoundly, woven-into-the-fabric Judenfiend - jew hater. You can't separate the antisemitism from the person or the person from the message. It's a seamless whole. All her websites, her life's work is the purest turncoat treachery. She reminds one of Johannes Pfefferkorn type of jew in Jewish history who spent the remainder of their miserable lives after apostasy uncovering proofs of Jewish perfidy in the sacred texts and unwritten customs and rituals of their families and communities. We don't make the connections between vicki polin and those traitors because we don't like to savor the taste of our own failure. Vicki Polin is us? Neh, can't be! Well, she's us until we kick her out and deny her a platform and cut off her money.
Since you have refused to post my previous comments on this matter, I have forwarded materials to journalists in Australia who may be interested (due to the current climate) in looking into those behind your smears. I will continue those efforts regardless of your future actions in this matter and will target other locations those involved have been in action. Your smears have convinced me that those you are assosiating yourself with (and their enablers) are clearly in need of exposure and such efforts by myself and others in this regard need to be intensified.
Your gallows being built for Ms. Polin will be as successful as those built by Haman against Mordechai.
I will shine the light of day on you and yours.
JWB
Excerpt:
The hatchet job, I've referred you to, against Ms. Polin originates from those connected with the former rabbi of Hamakom Synagogue in Melbourne, Australia, Rabbi (Jeremy) Hershy Worch. One website is run by this rabbi's latest wife, another by this rabbi's best friend, Yoram (Yori) Yanover, and the third by the best friend's friend, Larry Yudelson (Reb Yudel), and relate to the following (note the first link is to a newspaper in NY).
See: http://www.thevillager.com/villager_115/newspaperpublisher.html
and
http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/worch_hershy.html
and
http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/yori_yanover.htm
and
http://www.lukeford.net/profiles/profiles/JHershyWorch.htm
I would welcome anyone with concerns and questions regarding these issues to contact Rabbi Yosef Blau of Yeshiva University, NY for clarification. He and his family have also been the target of similar hatchet jobs. As Yori Yanover admits on his Usajewish website:
http://usajewish.blogspot.com/2006/05/post-gafni-erotica.html
"One of them, a Rabbi Blau from YU, even accused me of harassing him, because I criticized his actions online. Imagine that. I dared write that the great inquisitor was wrong. Ah, the things his Excellency must endure…"
JWB
You complain that Rabbi Blau accuesd you of harassment. Look at what you wrote...this IS harassment.
"I will continue those efforts regardless of your future actions in this matter and will target other locations those involved have been in action. Your smears have convinced me that those you are assosiating yourself with (and their enablers) are clearly in need of exposure and such efforts by myself and others in this regard need to be intensified.
Your gallows being built for Ms. Polin will be as successful as those built by Haman against Mordechai.
I will shine the light of day on you and yours."
JWB
You accuse us of a smear campaign. Look at what she just posted.
Does Anyone Know How Isaac Hersh is doing?
By Blogger, Jewish Survivors
Jewish Survivors of Sexual Violence Speak Out - April 1, 2008
It's been several days since any one reported on how Isaac Hersh is doing. Does anyone know know where he is or who's taking care of him? It's shocking that this case is not making headline news in internationally.
There are many of us who are very concerned about Isaac's siblings who are still living in the home of alleged "child beater", Michael Hersh. Does anyone know if child protection has taken custody of the children -- or has Michael Hersh been able to manipulate them into thinking he's a safe parent?
I personally believe the safest place for Isaac Hersh is back in Texas with his twin brother. I also think the rest of the Hersh children should be sent down there too. They all need to be reunited with each other in a safe environment away from the insanity of Brooklyn. They need to be in a place in which healing is a possibility and where they can receive unconditional love and not be used in some sort of pawn in a rabbinical war.
Does anyone know what's happening with the rest of the children who are being held as prisoners at Tranquility Bay? Where is the public outrage? Why isn't everyone demanding that the national news media do a story about this?
I think Isaac Hersh is still in danger as I think all the children stuck at that "reform school".
>You accuse us of a smear
>campaign.
That's the only thing you've gotten right today.
As to Tranquility Bay and those lowlifes who send children there:
Two Lawsuits Draw Attention to the Abuse Suffered by Troubled U.S. Teenagers Sent to Boot Camps Abroad: Why the State Department Should Push for an International Prohibition
By Marci Hamilton
FindLaw: Legal News and Commentary
April 3, 2008
Teenagers, even the ones who are stars at school and elsewhere, can be a challenge. Those who take a wrong turn toward drugs or gangs, to cite just two examples, can be very difficult to handle. Thus, it has not been uncommon in the United States for parents in such desperate straits to send their children to military schools or to wilderness camps.
There is also a third choice, however, which was in the news last week: teen boot camps. This choice, as I will explain, should be made illegal around the globe -- with the U.S. State Department taking a leading role in protecting U.S.-based (and, if possible, foreign) teens who suffer abuse abroad.
The Tranquility Bay Lawsuit and the State Department's Response
Recently, attorney Joshua Ambush filed a federal lawsuit on behalf of a public interest organization in Washington, DC, against the Department of State. The suit alleged that State Department regulations establish an obligation on the part of the U.S. government to prevent the abuse of American children abroad.
In particular, the suit urged that the State Department needed to immediately investigate the abuse that American teenager Isaac Hersh had allegedly suffered at a boot camp in Jamaica called Tranquility Bay.
It is to the State Department's credit that it took the lawsuit very seriously, and quickly aided in Isaac's release from what appear to have been torturous conditions. At first, Isaac's parents, who reside in New York, tried to block his release. However, eventually they were persuaded to permit Yeshiva University professor and psychologist David Pelcovitz to accompany Isaac back to New York. Pelcovitz interviewed Isaac in Jamaica, in the presence of a United States embassy official; determined that Isaac had been abused; and brought him back to the United States for treatment and for his safety.
The good news is that Isaac was rescued; the sad truth is that many children still reside at Tranquility Bay and in other boot camps around the world.
Another Suit Alleges Abuse At the Behest of the World Wide Association of Specialty Camps and Schools
Fortunately, a pending lawsuit filed in federal court in Utah aims to make some headway against these institutions. The defendant is the World Wide Association of Specialty Camps and Schools, based in George, Utah. The plaintiffs are 140 victims of teen boot camps (including Tranquility Bay). The suit alleges that they suffered severe physical and emotional abuse at the hands of the camps -- including being forced to eat their own vomit, having their hands and feet bound, being locked in dog cages, being forced to reside in isolation, being placed in painful postures for long periods of time, being deprived of food, and being deprived of any education.
From even this sketchy description, it seems obvious that these so-called "boot camps" are nothing more than modern-day torture chambers.
Once again, just as in the arena of childhood sexual abuse in the Catholic Church and outside it, it has taken a number of adults, working in tandem, to create the conditions for such horrible treatment of children. Once again, terrible crimes have been committed against children by the very adults who were supposed to protect them. It is up to the national and international legal community to now ensure their safety by shutting down these camps and making their practices illegal.
It Is High Time for the Federal and State Governments to Aggressively Target Teen Boot Camps and Those Who Patronize and Enable Them
When parents send a child to such a boot camp, and support it with their payments, they are creating the opportunity for such abuse. Accordingly, those parents who were aware of the camps' nature, yet still sent their children there, should be held fully accountable under the law: They essentially have paid third parties to abuse their children on their behalf. Moreover, the camps, their owners, their employees, and the government agencies that look the other way should also face serious legal repercussions.
With Isaac Hersh's story still fresh in everyone's mind, it is the right time for the State Department, Congress, and the state legislatures to initiate all the action needed to shut down the camps operating in the states, exert great pressures to shut down the ones operating abroad, and exact heavy penalties on those operating abroad when U.S. minors are abused there. As I have argued in past columns such as this one, the platforms of the national political parties should have a plank that speaks to protecting children from harm. This is a nonpartisan issue; thus, each of the three remaining viable candidates for President should include the protection of children as one of his or her highest priorities.
Like the international trafficking of children for sex, the ugly international subuniverse of boot camps causes massive suffering, and thus demands that fast, decisive, and harsh action be taken.
Marci A. Hamilton is a Visiting Professor of Public Affairs and the Kathleen and Martin Crane Senior Research Fellow at the Program in Law and Public Affairs at Princeton University. An archive of her columns on church/state issues - as well as other topics -- can be found on this site. Professor Hamilton's most recent work is God vs. the Gavel: Religion and the Rule of Law (Cambridge University Press 2005), now available in paperback. Professor Hamilton's forthcoming book, which will be published this spring is entitled Justice Denied: What America Must Do to Protect Its Children(Cambridge 2008).
First of all JWB, Ambush sought but did not get an approval from Jewish organizations, especially Hatzalah. They said he went way too far.
Ambush does not associate himself with the Jewish community in Baltimore and is all alone in this endeavor.
JWB, She will be left alone as soon as she stops saying horrible things about Michael Hersh and Rav Shechter.
She cannot say personal things against a holy jew. It is ok to disagree with a man like Rav Aharon but it is never acceptable to say a personal attack.
As far as Michael is concerned. He has made it public knowledge that he will provide any court documents requested of him regarding any allegations of abuse and of improper use of medications.
She is being called to task for hanging a man who has yet been to trial. If she will please lay off then no one will bother her.
You are probably a fair guy and know that what she is saying is very wrong.
Simply file it under Bizarre.
Rabbi (Jeremy) Hershy Worch's livejournal where he is:
1) gloating over a fire in the home of Rabbi Eichenstein;
2) alleging Luke Ford is michallel shabbos; and
3) telling us how "Sometimes when I'm having sex I think of (the founder of the Awareness Center)".
Folks, you can't make this stuff up. But it's Worch's friend Yoram Yanover and Yanover's friend Larry Yudelson that Jewish Blogmeister has linked as "evidence" agaist Ms. Polin.
We have sick people in our community and Jewish Blogmeister has given them a forum.
http://rebhershy.livejournal.com/40737.html
rebhershy (rebhershy) wrote,
@ 2008-01-24 20:08:00
Been feeling like journaling lately
It's been so long since I felt safe I hardly recognize the feeling.
Seriously, since my enemies tried their hardest to crucify me three years ago not a day went by but I dreaded some new infamy.
Evil has many faces, but ugliest is the face of virtue triumphant. It matters not whether it triumphs like Rabbi Eichenstein who quietly calls my employer to have me fired, or like Vicki Polin who calls my ex-wife to say she's talking to 26 women who say I raped them in front of the children. There's no question in my mind that the worst sins are those we commit with the Yetzer Tov - Good Inclination. By the way, Eichenstein discovered I was working for XXXXXXXX XXXXXX Funerals Ltd as a Shomer - Guardian; someone who sits with the dead. He discovered it because one of the dead I happened to sit with (reciting the psalms at his side), was an uncle of his. When the good rabbi saw it was me, he called the funeral director and had me fired. He also stiffed me for the $15 an hour I'd earned sitting there all night.
Now I say that having a man fired because you think badly of him, doesn't make you less of a man. But stiffing the man who sits guarding the corpse of your uncle, finding an excuse to avoid paying him his fee after he's done the job, now that makes you a very small man indeed.
The thing is, the really important thing is that Eichenstein's Shabbes candles burned his house to the ground. Well, his wife put the tea lights on the plastic tablecloth which ignited when it heated up sufficiently, to be more precise, but you get the picture. I know which I prefer, having a mean prick try and burn my livliehood down or have the Sabbath burn my house down! Sometimes when I'm having sex I think of Victoria Polin, especially when I'm laughing. Or sometimes when my breath catches in my throat at the sheer beauty of woman skin or the perfume of her private places, I catch a glimpse of all the hot laughing sex Vicki doesn't have a hope of tasting, and I ask myself, who came out of all this enriched, and who impoverished? It's something to think about, isn't it?
You know, once a month like a fetish, on the 14th or 15th of the month, Luke Ford will visit all my web pages looking for only he knows what. 5 or 6 times in the last two years the 14th and 15th have fallen on the sabbath. So here's this convert to Judaism, to orthodox judaism no less, lives on a futon on the floor in a basement somehwere in Los Angeles, who can't hold back from firing up his computer to go snooping on the sabbath. Talk about being born again and getting a life!
I shouldn't crow, I suppose. But I feel like crowing, damnit.
>JWB, She will be left alone as
>soon as she stops saying
>horrible things about Michael
>Hersh and Rav Shechter.
I see, you will associate with anyone and do anything to silence her. You aren't for truth or justice, you are just a goon.
You are just like Yanover who will march with those who would destroy Israel as he says:
http://www.jewishsf.com/content/2-0-/module/displaystory/story_id/23425/edition_id/466/format/html/displaystory.html
“But I’m driven to cooperate with whoever is out there to help me get rid of Bush, this stain on America.”
You are linking misfits and rashas like Yanover (including his material from Worch) and Yudelson.
Your zeal to destroy Ms. Polin is no different than those who alligned with Korach against Moshe.
If you and your "friends" continue on this path, your end will be the same.
And, yes I am fair. God help you.
JWB. You are not reading what I wrote and you are resorting to name calling. I have nothing more to discuss with you and you won't be able to find an anon that is living in Canada...Different laws.
>As far as Michael is concerned.
>He has made it public knowledge
>that he will provide any court
>documents requested of him
>regarding any allegations of
>abuse and of improper use of
>medications.
I call your bluff.
Post the documents ... all of them. Have Michael sue all the newspapers that made such reports.
Put up or shut up.
JWB
Youre not making any sense. You are calling the previous anon immature names and misinterpreting everything.
If you have no response cuz she spoke the emes, just admit it.
Go! anon from Canada- Im an ally too.
There's a slight line between disagreeing and bashing.
No one has any right to continue spreading these awful lies without further investigation on the side of the minorities.
The Hershs have every single document proving their innocence- including the report from the Israeli courts where they came out 100% innocent, with the other twin admitting that he had made the story up.
People who wanna look for the juicy, damaging gossip so they can be the popular one in shul, are gonna have a lot to answer for after 120.
Hell is hot, my friends. You better go to cancoon and start getting used to the hot weather.
JWB
Im the anon @12:06.
Anon @ 2:06 is 100 % right. I saw those documents with my own eyes.
I have a copy of them. Neither anon nor myself are posting them up. Michael and Miriam are private, modest people who dont need to hang their sons dirty laundry up for every gossip craving stranger to see.
Frankly, it is none of your business. Or anybody elses.
They will be using these documents in court.
Where will u run for cover when the emes comes out?
JWB, We Will be happy to mail you any documents that you request. We will need a location to mail them to.
One condition...You will see them and that they are all telling the Emes. You will need to not only help Michael but you will need to stop Vicky Polin from Motzi Shem Ra... I mean realy stop it!
If you can promise to us then you will get these documents.
The Isaac/Michael Hersh story has moved way beyond the stage of "gossip" because its now totally out in the open. It's a serious legal case that has come into the public arena via court filings, newspaper reports in print and online. It has pitted rabbonim and major Torah organizations against each other and talmidim and members of kehillas all over America, so to now come and claim like it's some kind of little private story is ridiculous and illogical. In some ways, this story is like the Pollard case or Dreyfus case that has exploded on the public scene and must be dealt with and resolved properly whether we like it or not it's going away until the Hersh twins Isaac and Sol are judged to be in safe custody by EVERYONE, not just by Michael Hersh and R Aron Shechter -- because it's just too big a public case.
Noone is claiming that "Vicki Polin" is a "tzadekes" since that is not the point and she is not the source or the problem with the Isaac/Michael Hersh story. She just reported on some things that happened as she does with lots of such cases. There is no point in shooting the messenger because you hate the message.
Too often "it takes a thief to catch a thief" the saying goes and unfortunately it takes an unpleasant person to report about unpleasant facts because a normal person wouldn't get involved.
In any case, even Nevuchadnezar was doing the will of H-shem, even tho he was a rasha, and the point for Bnai Yisroel was to try and figure out what message H-shem was sending THEM and not to think that Nevuchanezar is the source of the problem because he wasn't no mattter how bad he was, it was gilui arayos, shfichus damim and avoda zora that destroyed the Bais Hamikdosh and Nevuchanezar was just a puppet in the hands of G-d.
So let's try not to be like a dog that bites the stick and ignores who is holding it and let's face and discuss the real issues and not create somescreens and excuses that will get us nowhere and hide nothing.
To no excuses: You have many valid points. I must say, however, that if all of the news that VIN and others get about this case all only from her, then I must disagree about the role of this messenger.
You see, She has never met any of the Hersh's. She has not met Isaac or his father. She has not seen any legal documents about this case because the Hersh's didn't give her any...nor did she ask.
I and a few others have ALL of them and if she or anyone needs them, I will give them what they request of us...all they need to do is ask.
I will send someone I know to this site with proof that she can not possibly be speaking the truth. It will be up to the moderator if he/she is willing to post it. It will be an eye opener about What Vicky really stands for.
Vicky Polin Of the Awareness Group is single handedly trying to destroy Michael and all that is his...even calling for removal of the rest of the kids and stating "alleged Child Abuser".
We are providing you with some info that will show you why so many people are being misinformed about this story.. Please, please read this because it is VERY important!
Read these links!!!
http://www.usajewish.com/archive/CONSUMER_ALERT.htm
and
http://usajewish.blogspot.com/2006/05/call-to-action-case-of-victoria-polin.html#links
Here is the clip of her on Opera when she tells her that she belonged to a satanic cult that used to sacrifice babies and that other Jewish families in America do the same too.
http://www.usajewish.com/downloads/vicki-devil-worship.wmv
Here is the transcript
http://usajewish.blogspot.com/2007/02/vicki-and-devil.html
JWB and Vicki have, no doubt inadvertently, focused the discussion squarely on the accusers rather than the accused. Real victims -- and their real advocates -- deserve much better.
http://www.shmoozenet.com/yudel/mtarchives/001299.html
From Yori Yanover:
PATHOLOGICAL ANONYMITY
On October 10th, 2004, Nancy (Nanne) S. Barkdull of 1343 E. Fox Street, South Bend IN, 46613 Phone number (574) 287-7890, presumably contacted the director of the self-proclaimed Awareness Center, one Victoria Polin, to allege that a Chicago rabbi, J. Hershy Worch, is “using his hypnoeroticism techniques to rape women.”
Not a shred of evidence has ever been offered by Ms. Barkdull to substantiate the rape charge. The AC and anonymous smutblogger JWB continue to call Barkdull a “rape victim.” But she is not. She was NEVER raped. At least not by Rabbi Worch. We are outing her here not as a victim, but as a perpetrator who set out to destroy a man—and succeeded—behind the veil of secrecy.
In the end all Nancy Barkdull managed to provide was a collection of private, intensely intimate online postings, under pseudonyms which she attributes to Worch.
What should the role of an organization like the AC be in this case? Seek out the truth? Call up the accused and ask for his reaction? Well, no such hope there. As former AC board member Rabbi Ari Kahn told Luke Ford, “It's a victims' advocacy forum. It is not necessarily interested in establishing truth.”
The disturbing question we, media providers and receivers, must not forget, is why was Nancy S. Barkdull awarded the shelter of anonymity by online reporter Luke Ford. Why, in fact, does he continue to shelter her in all his references, calling her “Jane” and, indeed, censoring her name from published interviews where it comes up.
Nancy Barkdull is not employed by Rabbi Worch—so no work related abuse can be cited in her defense.
Nancy Barkdull does not depend on Worch for her school grades, or, indeed, for anything at all.
Nancy Barkdull is not a minor. Her sexual activities are driven by adult choice.
Nancy Barkdull is not feeble minded in any way. She should not receive extra protection at the end of a bad relationship so she could ruin her ex-lover.
On the other hand:
Rabbi Hershy Worch is not employed by any Jewish organization. No public good was served by his destruction.
Rabbi Hershy Worch does not possess any capacity at all by which he could act to seek vengeful action against Ms. Barkdull. If anything, she is the one who should be stopped from further harming him.
Why, then, was Nancy S. Barkdull awarded a shield behind which she could hide while launching one attack after another on Rabbi Worch’s good name, exposing the most vulnerable sexual aspects of his personality, fabricated and otherwise, with no recourse for him to pursue?
When the accusations made by TAC, and served regularly by Luke Ford, became too outrageous, their victims started to fight back. As the veracity of each charge evaporated before even the scantiest examination, the AC began to lose board members, including its strongest and, presumably, most legitimate advocate, Rabbi Joseph Blau. Fleeing this career-ending scandal, Rabbi Blau still believes in the AC’s dogma of “Victim Prime.” Only as recently as a week ago he told Steven I. Weiss: “When an alleged abuser is identified… that person has supporters and defenders, and that becomes a very difficult situation.” As if there’s something inherently wrong in the very idea that an accused man seek to refute the accusations against him.
But rogue anonymity is now not the exception but the very rule of the debate surrounding the AC’s allegations. After I exposed Vicki Polin publicly for the first time as the “Rachel” who, back in the “recovered memory” ‘80s accused the Jews of Chicago of participating in satanic rituals, complete with baby slaughter and fornication on open Torah scrolls, anonymous attacks against me became exceptionally vicious. Vicki Polin utilizes several victimology websites under a variety of pseudonyms, all of which were enlisted to target me.
The details of my business were put out, with a proviso for individuals to contact my clients and try and intimidate them. The IRS anonymous complaint number was given out, asking people to report me. The names of my wife and daughter were put online, just to avail me of that rare sense of intimidation.
The fact that I was never accused of sexual abuse mattered little to the AC chief, who felt justified in exposing the intimate details of my own life, since I’m supporting my good friend Worch in his struggle to recover from Polin’s and Barkdull’s onslaught.
This article, exposing Nancy (Nanne) S. Barkdull and leveling the playing field, if you will, is not an attempt to stop Ms. Barkdull. In my opinion she should be allowed to make her allegations. In fact, I encourage her to approach the Chicago Police or District Attorney and launch a criminal complaint. But that complaint must bear her full name. She should not be permitted to hide behind the forgery of protected identity.
I call your bluff.
Send ALL materials to a third party for independent evaluation.
Please send to Rabbi Yosef Blau c/o Yeshiva University.
500 W. 185th Street
New York, NY 10033
Website
http://www.yu.edu
I notice your continuing intellectual dishonesty of not posting my comments.
The sources of the information you are using for your smears, "Rabbi" Worch and his supporters (Usajewish/Yanover and Shmoozenet/Yudelson) are simply not credible.
JWB. This is no bluff I will, B'N send this material out today or tomorrow...However, the sensitive "issues" about Isaac should be kept private because I don't want to hurt him.
However, One condition...You will see them and that they are all telling the Emes. You will need to not only help Michael but you will need to stop Vicky Polin from Motzi Shem Ra... I mean really stop it!
If you can promise to us then you will get these documents ASAP.
TO JWB
Rabbi Blau should expect to see them in his inbox (snail mail) within the next few days. Please make him aware to keep an eye out for it.
I have recently taken an interest in the Hersh case. I've been involved in several cases involving child abuse in our communities -- cases that have led to the recent arrests of Stefan Colmer and Avrohom Mondrowitz.
Since unfair accusations tend to dilute and undermine the true ones, I am prepared to be convinced by evidence that the Hershes have done nothing wrong -- and if convinced, I will discourage others from pursuing this case.
Toward that end, I earnestly ask those who claim to be in possession of documents proving the parents' innocence to mail me copies at:
Michael Lesher, Esq.
22 Leitch Place
Passaic NJ 07055
... or you may email me at MichaelLesher@optonline.net
Please let me know if there are confidentiality issues involved as well. Thanks.
Dear Michael Lesher, Esq.
Thank you for your interest in the Hersh case.
I am sending all of the documentation as attachments.
A message to JWB and Vicky
We noticed that Vicky made some changes on her website. She toned down SOME of the hate and put more emphasis on Tranquility Bay and other related topics.
However, Some of the articles that contain unsubstantiated facts still remain.
It would be the right thing to do if she can only write things as fact if she can actually back it up with written proof.
To that end, we will be happy to provide her with any documents that she would like to see.
We noticed that Vicky made some changes on her website. She toned down SOME of the hate and put more emphasis on Tranquility Bay and other related topics.
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